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Message par devolut » août 16, 15 6:22 pm

Rome's Infiltration into our Bodies: False Prophets, New Age Christianity, and the New Apostolic Reformation








This last section
brings us to the primary reason for this suppressed history lesson.  Let me repeat what I previously said:  there is absolutely no martyr complex in me,
but the reality is that you may lose your head, they (those under the Pope) will
send infiltrators to attack all that stands in opposition to the Pope, will
bring slander, attempt to silence, and if need be take your life, unless the
Father keeps you.  We’re going somewhere. 
This is regarding the infiltration of the Jesuit Order into our bodies.     




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Ex-Jesuit
Priest Alberto Rivera had set it in his heart to be a priest in a young age
after his mother died.  When he learned
the truth of what the Jesuits really are, truth of the scripture, of Revelation
17 and others, he escaped from the Jesuit Order and miraculously made his way
to the United States.  He became a born
again believer and began exposing Rome, his former brotherhood, the Jesuit
order.  He was taken out  through poisoning as a result.  Alberto has claimed the Jesuits had poisons
that made people die of Cancer making it look like a natural cause.  The Jesuits were on assignment.  










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 His wife gives testimony.  The Inland Valley Daily Bulletin quotes Nury
Rivera  saying  “They (Jesuits) murdered him. He was poisoned four years ago and was
supposed to die right away. But it was a miracle
he lived for four years. The Lord wanted him to go around the world.” http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID ... 9947#_ftn1" name="_ftnref1" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn1;" title="">[1]  Nury Rivera was interviewed by Greg Szymanski
concerning the late Alberto Rivera.  She
claims she was threatened and attacked for attempting to expose Vatican secret
concerning churches and the U.S. government. 
"They poisoned him and I am
100 per cent sure of that… After my husband left the Church, found Jesus
and decided to tell the world about Vatican deception, the Jesuits did everything to keep him quiet and discredit him… Why
would they do this if what Alberto preached and what I and saying, is not the
truth?  “After Alberto was killed, they
even came to me saying if I told them
where he was buried that I would be taken care of for life. I, of course,
refused because they wanted to take his
body back to the Vatican because these men
worship death, not life and the beauty of God… I think people can see the truth once they see how they have tried to
cover-up Alberto's life and death… The Vatican
hierarchy worships evil and the devil. They are in the midst of taking over America, infiltrating the governments and
religions of the world in order to make everyone loyal to the Pope's rule…
Alberto tried to tell the world about their plans for America and how they were
putting people in power who were loyal
to the New World Order and the Pope and not to their own countries (Bushes,
Clinton, Obama, etc).  Their evil knows no boundaries and when
Alberto tried to alert people, they had him killed… I have always been open and honest about what happened to
Alberto and the message he was trying to get out. I love America and it is difficult to see what is happening here…The
truth is the only thing that sets you free and Americans need to identify the real enemy trying to steal their minds,
bodies and souls."http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID ... 9947#_ftn2" name="_ftnref2" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn2;" title="">[2]  What
a testimony right?  This is real.  Remember every Jesuit takes that Jesuit Oath
and is bound to death.  They have no
sound mind.  You cannot reason with
them.  They have a certain assignment,
and are bound to indoctrinate the people, if need be to become one of them, and
brainwash them.  Rome was after Rivera’s
head.  He began to expose much of the
crimes that have been suppressed from the public’s eye.  Remember the Vatican controls the media.  This can be hard to handle at first, but hear
me.  The truth is that Rivera was trained
to infiltrate and destroy Protestant churches. 
He was poisoned to death as a result, but not before he was able to
testify.  This can be found in Chicks
Publications @ bit.ly/Rw0Wo0.http://bit.ly/Rw0Wo0" style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  How we need testimony. 







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While he was under oath and instruction as a
Jesuit Priest, he was that there would
be a sign given throughout the world when all churches would be taken over
by the Jesuit order, when Protestantism was taken out by the ecumenical
movement, or the aim to bring all denomination together as one.  According to Rivera, this infiltration of all
denominations happened over 30 years ago.  
“The sign was to be when a president of the U.S. took his oath out of
office facing an obelisk (phalic symbol, four sided pillar which forms pyramid
at top).  For the first time I U.S.
history, the swearing in ceremonies were moved to the West front of the
Capitol, and President Reagan faced the
Washington Monument (Newsweek,
Jan 26, 1981, pg 32.).  This happened January 20, 1981.  Was the president aware of this?  We don’t know.” http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID ... 9947#_ftn3" name="_ftnref3" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn3;" title="">[3].  Some might say this Rivera brother didn’t
know what he was talking about.  He seems
a bit of his rocker.  There’s no way.  I mean not my church, not in my leadership,
not my elders, not my congregation.  No
way!  I understand the initial offense.  It may take some time.  I get that. 
In Bill Hughes book “The Enemy Unmasked,”  he calls his readers to search these
questions out about your local bodies “1. 
Is your church still protesting
tyranny against the Papacy?  2.  Does your church still teach that the papacy is the anti-Christ, or is it something
that your church once taught, but now shies away from  because it is
not politically correct?  3. 
Does your church engage in celebration style church service that are more contemporary with the times and
have more upbeat music?  This was part of
the papacy’s plan at Vatican II in taking over all churches.  4.  Is
your church forgetting their historical
teaching and becoming more modern, casting away the old truth as relics of
the past?  5.  Are your church periodicals finding more and more good things to say
about the papacy, even considering the Vatica leaders to be fine Christian
people?  6.  Is your church willing to join the ecumenical movement, even it means sacrificing some
basic teachings over principles that the church once believed?  If you can answer yes to one or more of these
questions, or yes to all of these questions, then Alberto Rivera is right. 
Are there any more religious bodies or denomination today that don’t
meet this criteria? http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID ... 9947#_ftn4" name="_ftnref4" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn4;" title="">[4]  Despite Rivera’s speaking out and sharing how
the Jesuit Order has infiltrated and LITERALLY taken over ALL Protestant
churches, it hasn’t changed a thing.  O
how we need a shaking beloved.  Spies are
in our midst and no one is speaking. 
Why?  Because the infiltrators in
all around us are influencing us.  We’re
in paralysis, but the thing is we don’t even know.   Go back and look what your church body
believed and held to before the early 80’s. 
I guarantee you it has significantly changed.  Go look and search.   Across the board, the churches have most
likely totally watered down who the AntiMessiah (AntiChrist) is across the
board.   It’s always been the Jesuit
Order under the Black Pope.  ALWAYS.   Babylon the Great was always known.   It was the Roman Catholic system.  Remember, Luther and the rest of the
reformers knew this which was one of the
few things they agreed on.  There was
no secret, no guessing.  It was vividly
clear.  Today we are no longer embracing
the teachings of Martin Luther and Protestantism.  We have Evangelical Churches, but the
Protestant are not existent, not in our denominations anyways.  True believers test every word and doctrine
by the infallible Word of Elohiym.  A
follower of the Popesimply listens to what their Daddy’s demands.  It’s a matter of worship really!  The church of Rome believes only is salvation
found in them, in the Papacy, whom the Pope is the head. A true born again
believer in Messiah can never accept this garbage into our assemblies.  Say GARBAGE. 
It’s what it is.  It’s not
redeemable without totally resisting and pulling away from that Babylonian
system.  It’s the only way.  We’ve been deceived into believe the Papacy
is a good thing, that they’re actually believers.  No.  
The infiltration is not new beloved! How can we allow this
indoctrination?  We’re back I the ages
prior to Luther’s 95 Theses.  Where are
the protestors without compromise, without spot?  Where is the understanding?  Where are the Fathers that will stand?  Only YaHuWshuwa is the door, the way, truth,
and the life.    Why is no one
speaking?  Alberto Rivera has some major
insight.  




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 Author
Bill Hughes spoke to Rivera about a year before he died.  He wasn’t well physically and Hughes asked
what happened.  Rivera said he went to a
dentist who claimed to be a Protestant, recommend by in-laws of the
family.   The dentist took a needle as
far into his mouth as he could.  He said
from that day he had horrible headaches, and within a year he was dead.  He was killed for alerting America about
the Jesuit infiltration through secret societies in almost every sect of
American, including intelligence agencies, financial institutions and religious
organizations.  Freemasons, practicing homosexuals,
witches and warlacks, they have all made their way into our church
buildings.  Are you hearing me.  The pope rules the world.  It’s real and there is a hierarchy.  He’s after world domination.  The pope sent them to infiltrate, extract, to
stop us Protestant heretics that will disrupt, to silence and kill if need
be.  These Jesuits are under oath.  They really have mixed into every form of
society.  What is the purpose?  They mix into society, they camouflage and
tell the people of Messiah that the Vatican, the Roman Catholic Church is now
longer the enemy which nowadays which most Bible professing believers take the
bait.  They silence the real Protestants
through gossip, slander, now their bringing division, have no love, and their
the enemy.  We need discernment
guys.  It goes much deeper than the truth
one outwardly professes.  I’ve been
seeing this even in our prayer meetings guys, even in our talking Christianize,
talking faith.  It’s total corrupt.  Brothers and Sisters giving their amens and
HalleluYah’s.  They come before the
leaders and such and expose these Protestants, they bringing division, they
don’t love.  The list goes on.  There’s witchcraft in the church, but the
thing is their on mission, sent ones, spies. 
I recorded some of this through poetry @ http://bit.ly/17WhxfA.http://bit.ly/17WhxfA" style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  They’re disguised. Deception is running
rampant.  We need to contend for the
faith that’s been delivered up for us (Jude 1:3).  We have to look into Rivera’s life.  Being trained as a Jesuit from a child,
Rivera was 14 years old when the course on “Protestantism and its Heresies”
began.  He was told that he would work
with 4 groups of churches:  Plymouth
Brethren, Pentecostal, Baptist, and United Evangelicals.  He says he ended up infiltrating hundreds of
churches and organizations.  He and the
others in training were taught how to
act, how to camouflage undetected.  He
learned how to flatter, how to show great sympathy, and even how to divide a
church and destroy a pastor who said the Roman Catholic Church was not
Christian.  For that reason, that
pastor was our target.  He infiltrated 19 churches in Spain alone.  He was responsible for imprisoning pastors.  His mission was to destroy the pastor and his
church.  He claims that the office that ran the inquisition is still in operation.
  He says I got as many names as I could
in the infiltration of a certain church and sent it back to Rome.  They still have the names of every protestant
pastor and the names of every church
member in the world including Roman Catholics in the computer.  If they stand against Rome’s future one world
government, they will be put to death. 
Rome is the great whore prostitute in Revelation 17 .  The tribulation saints will be put to death
by her.  When he was at his church in
Venezuela, about  half believed the RCC
was a Christian Church.   




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Rivera said that those who don’t believe this cause
much dissension to the body and must be stopped.  It causes much confusion, distortion, and
dissension.  They must be stopped.  The Baptist pastor was getting Rivera into
seminary, and he (Rivera) started a
rumor that he was having an affair with an 18-year-old girl.  She was a
Catholic plant who opposed the
pastor and confessed that she and the pastor had an affair.  The pastor was innocent.  His wife
divorced him, the church was destroyed, and Rivera simply moved to his next
assignment.  There are three ways to deal
with those who do not compromise to the Roman Catholic Churches agenda:  1.  Discredit him.  He says that first we would destroy his
reputation by lying about him, twisting his word making him look like the enemy
of the country to get him in trouble with local officials or frame him with a
woman.  She could be planted as a
secretary to have an affair with him. 
Once he had a pastor called to a
home late at night.  He had a woman a
woman in distress on the side of the road. 
He stopped to help but she cried “RAPE” tore her dress and her partner
photographed them which destroyed him.  Government agencies investigate him because he
was accused and when he proves his innocence,
it’s too late.  The media already has
made him look guilty.  His credit can
be messed up and later he is apologized to for the mix-up.  Secret
phone calls accusing his wife or children of obscene acts can also be
present.  It’s all to make him look bad,
to be perceived as unreliable,
irresponsible, and a thief.  2. 
Isolation without friend or support. 
Gossip spreads about how he is too controversial.  His enemies will say he is causing division, that He’s not loving, that He hates unity.  He is left alone without support.  A lie may
soon spread that he had a nervous breakdown so everything he speaks is unreliable.  Most of
these pastors give in to the opposition
and compromise which is obviously
easier than facing the heat.  Isolation
is used to force them out of ministry. 
3.  Death.  When the man believes
He firmly has a call and will not buckle under the pressure, strange things
begin to happen.  He is hit by a car in an accident, and he goes to the hospital, and the nurse pulls
the plug on his oxygen, or mixes up the medicine.  He gets complications
and dies.  There can be food poisoning or he is fed mind changing drugs putting himself
in an mental institution.  He can be
attacked in the dark by a stranger or assassination
attempts on his life.  It’s a
war.  He was assigned to the
inter-denominational Protestant seminary in Costa Rica.  Two beautiful girls were there to help him
who from a Catholic youth action group posing as born again believers.  Carmen was to be his girlfriend in the Bible
College, and Marie was assigned to destroy pastors and introduce sex among the
students.  Rivera would often argue with
Jesuit priests who came in, to show he wasn’t one of them.  He would also go against the strict rules of
separating the girls and boys but holding Carmen’s hand.  One night he and Carmen allowed themselves to
get caught in the girls dormitory as she was in her nightgown.  Carmen said that all the girls were doing this.  This scandal
appeared in the Newspapers written by a Jesuit Priest.  This place was branded as a place of corruption. 
Rivera then dressed as a slob,
was always late, fighting with teachers, and then accusing them of not walking
in love.  Rivera continued to talk
about how there were many good Christians in the Catholic Church.  It was the best because of their discipline
and there were no cover-ups or scandals.  Marie, the other girl had been busy
working.  She seduced 17 students who had been expelled and was currently working on
a pastor.  Rivera said when he saw a
loving Christian Church and a pastor would often touch Marie and watch the way
she walked, he would tell her to destroy him. 
Three pastors ended up falling,
a Methodist, Pentecostal, and a Four square Church minister.  As a result all three pastors became ecumenical
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This
warning needs to go out to every leaders, every husband, every father.  I would say every congregation, or every
board, but the reality is that it’s all been infiltrated.  Speaking about some of this stuff could get
me kicked out of any church, but I have no choice.  I made that choice a long time ago.  We need backbone in these days.  Strong spirits.  Strong spirits.  I can see house churches sprouting up in the
coming days because honestly these infiltrated controlled religious systems
will not work.  I don’t care how good,
how great you say your church is.  It’s
been corrupted a long time ago. 
Infiltrated.  If one could just
hear me, this could literally protect your marriage, your family.  I’m sitting hear as a watchman warning you of
what’s already happened even though you may have been unaware, and the word of
wisdom to be strong and know, these infiltrators surrounding, these spies will
seek to take you, your family, your Pastor, and church out.  If you resist that, expect to be on the hit
list.  According to Rivera’s account,
there were certain Jesuit spies that infiltrated America’s congregations that
you’re probably very familiar with.  I’m
all about name calling, ONLY when foolishness is done openly.  We need reality.  “Let me tell you of one of Rome’s greatest undercover agents working in the U.S.
with whom I talked a number of times. 
She was associated with the Legion of Mary… She was assigned to penetrate the Pentecostals and Protestants through the
Charismatic Movement.  She was a master of hypnosis and had tremendous psychic powers.  This woman through her evangelistic campaigns
did a tremendous job for Rome.  (Rivera
now quoting Daughter of Destiny book by Jamie Buckingham, 1976)   I - She treated
Roman Catholics as if they were saved (pg 242).  II – She didn’t
encourage charismatic Roman Catholics to leave their own “church (pg 206,
228, 229, 250).”  III – She had priests and nuns on her platform to
persuade Protestants that Roman Catholics are saved and should stay in their own institution…
and she told the Protestants to do the same thing (pg 221).  She
united them all with the love gospel, and her charming smile (pg 231).  (Rivera speaking) As a reward for her
outstanding work, she was granted a
private audience with the pope.  You
understand… what a person is granted such an audience, he or she must bow down…
and acknowledge the pope as Jesus Christ
on the earth, and for this, he holds their hands in a special blessing for
a job well done.” http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID ... 9947#_ftn6" name="_ftnref6" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn6;" title="">[6]  We’ve already talked about our Presidents and
leaders have linked with the Vatican and pretty much worship the Pope, bow down
to him and kiss his ring.  The Popes ring
even has a Masonic symbol on it.  In the
historical comic, Rivera reveals a picture of this undercover Jesuit
agent.  This woman was loved by  thousands of believers.   







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There have been photos seen with the pope
blessing her and it’s common knowledge that the pope will never bless a
heretic.  He will never bless a
Protestant, or anyone that opposes his control.   Rivera says “60% of this woman’s audience was Roman Catholic (“Kathryn Kuhlman,
by Hosier, published by Revel, 1976m pg 126). 
She pushed for unity, calling
priests, rabbis, and pastors to be one (Daughter of Destiny, 278).  A special
Mass was given for her in Las Vegas as well (Kathryn luhlman, Hosier, pg
131-132)… Most of us (Jesuits) in
undercover work knew of her activities.  You see, at the beginning, the Pentecostals
were a tremendous threat to Rome…
Not their speaking in tongues, but their
teaching on separation, and holiness, which we dreaded.” http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID ... 9947#_ftn7" name="_ftnref7" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn7;" title="">[7]   The Pentecostal preachers exposed Rome from
the pulpit declaring that Rome is the great whore in Revelation 17.  However, Rivera and the Jesuits eventually
changed it so no longer is separation being preached, but unity  He goes on to warn us  “Don’t think the infiltration was just among
the Pentecostals, Charismatics, or the Ecumenical Movement.  The
Fundamentalists and new Evangelicals have also been secretly subdued.  Check the great evangelists and Christian
leaders, and study what they said about the pope’s visit to the U.S.  Did they remain silent, or were they excited
about his visit and show respect?  Kathryn Kuhlman was only of of the many
under-cover agents in high Christian places directly or indirectly tied to Rome.  Rome is working with them and through them…
God help the Christians to open their eyes and be alert to this… the majority are either afraid or are deep
agents themselves.  Both
historically  and prophetically, the whore of Revelation is our enemy (Rev
17:6).  Very few realize that Rome is secretly united with the
Illuminati, Masonry, Communism, Zionism, and their subsidiaries to control
banking and world commerce.  They
also use the media to manipulate
almost everyone on earth.  The net result: one church and one world government.  The world system has only one deadly enemy- the independent
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 Now that is a lot.  I mean if that is true of Kathryn Kuhlman
then what does that say about Benny Hinn who is seen often with the Pope,
praising him, and bowing down to him, even kissing his hand.  The Pope will never allow a heretic to do
that.  These are bold statements, but are
more than allegations.  I will often get,
man brother you have to honor the anointed vessel, and I’m all about that, but
will never honor a false prophet.  Not a
prophet who is new I his gifting, but the reality being that Benny Hinn is an
agent of Rome.  He’s a freemason.  Despite the false teaching, he’s actually a
Jesuit-trained Vatican agent.  He’s
followed in Kuhlman’s footsteps.  But he
walks in power.  People fall under the
power.  So?  That means nothing.  So did Judas. 
He claimed the Holy Spirit anointing to prophesy that Fidel Castro would
die "in the nineties." At the same time as this death, he prophesied,
all the homosexuals in the USA would be executed "by the fire of
God".  He publicly cursed his
critics, and preached that Messiah was born again, and Adam could fly to the
moon.  He also like so many others spoke
the end of the world in 2000.  Of course
theres a difference between a young prophet learning his gift mix and pure
rebellion, of another spirit altogether. 
Hinn believes in transubstantiation,
that Yahuwshuwa literally appeared and he touch the body of our
Messiah.  He's a Catholic mystic.  If you hear the word Catholic,
huge red flags should fly.  Much more then red flags.  Stop
sign.  Do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars, retreat and retreat
fast. 
Understand guys that I’m not being critical of the anointing of an authentic
vessel from the Father.  I am EXPOSING
ROME in the church.  This kind of thing
is going on everywhere.







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Re:les agents planificateurs de L Antichrist

Message par devolut » août 16, 15 6:25 pm

We know about Billy Graham and all the good
he did.  I mean he preached the gospel, a
mighty evangelist right?  I believe in
the beginning Graham was good and pure. 
According to Rivera, Billy was being used by the Vatican in 1950 when
the word came to all the Jesuits in Central and South America to fill the
stadiums with Roman Catholics when Billy Graham preached. Even then there was
infiltration. According to Graham in a 1991 interview, “Another significant
thing happened in the early ‘50s in
Boston. Cardinal Cushing, in his magazine, , put ‘BRAVO BILLY’ on the front cover. That
made news all over the country. He and I became close, wonderful friends. That was my first real coming to grips with the
whole Protestant/Catholic situation. I began to realize that there were Christians everywhere. They might be called modernists, Catholics,
or whatever, but they were Christians”.” http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID ... 9947#_ftn9" name="_ftnref9" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn9;" title="">[9]  On September 29, 1956, the “Protestant Church
Life” magazine quoted Billy saying ”We're coming to New York not to clean it
up, but to get people to dedicate
themselves to God and to send them
on to their own churches -- Catholic,
Protestant or Jewish."  In
Graham’s autobiography, he talked about how he had staff members in charge of
his meetings.  Wills Haymaker was one of
these men. “He would also call on the local Catholic bishop or other clerics
to acquaint them with Crusade plans and invite them to the meetings; they
would usually appoint a priest to attend
and report back. This was years
before Vatican II’s openness to Protestants, but WE WERE CONCERNED TO
LET THE CATHOLIC BISHOPS SEE THAT MY GOAL WAS NOT TO GET PEOPLE TO LEAVE THEIR
CHURCH; rather, I wanted them to commit their lives to Christ.” http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID ... 947#_ftn10" name="_ftnref10" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn10;" title="">[10]  In October 11, 1979, discussing Pope John
Paul II's visit to the U.S., Graham said, "I think the American people are
looking for a leader, a moral and
spiritual leader that believes something. And he (meaning the pope) does…
Thank God I've got somebody to quote now with some real authority.” http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID ... 947#_ftn11" name="_ftnref11" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn11;" title="">[11]  Wow. 
In an interview with Larry King, Graham says concerning the Pope and if
he’s going to heaven: “He believed in
the Cross.  That was his focus
throughout his ministry, the Cross, no matter if you were talking to him… he
felt that the answer to all of our problems, the cross and the resurrection.  And he
was a strong believer. http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID ... 947#_ftn12" name="_ftnref12" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn12;" title="">[12]   In 1963, Graham said "I admired Pope John tremendously … I felt
he brought a new era to the world. It is my hope that the Cardinals elect a
new Pope who will follow the same line as John. It would be a great tragedy if
they chose a man who reacted against John.”http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID ... 947#_ftn13" name="_ftnref13" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn13;" title="">[13]  Scripture says “The wicked walk o ever side, when the vilest men are exalted (Ps
12:8).”  In the news, "Pope John
Paul II was closeted for almost two hours with the Rev. Billy Graham, the
world's best-known Protestant evangelist." http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID ... 947#_ftn14" name="_ftnref14" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn14;" title="">[14]   In 1966, Graham says, "I find myself closer to Catholics than the radical
Protestants. I think the Roman Catholic Church today is going through a
second Reformation." http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID ... 947#_ftn15" name="_ftnref15" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn15;" title="">[15]  Are you starting to see a picture.  This is blasphemy.  Graham is now apostate.  In 1968 in a meeting in San Antonio he says,
“A great part of our support today comes from Catholics. We never hold a
crusade without priests and nuns being much in evidence in the
audience."  We do know that in his
radio broadcast in 1992, after Bush Sr. gave his New World Order Speech… embrace this New World Order.”http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID ... 947#_ftn16" name="_ftnref16" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn16;" title="">[16]  Some have said that Billy Graham was a 33rd
degree mason, the highest form of freemasonry. 
Could it be?  In ex-33rd
degree mason Jim Shaw’s book “The Deadly Deception,” Shaw claims that Graham
was present at his initiation ceremony in which only freemasons are granted
access. http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID ... 947#_ftn17" name="_ftnref17" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn17;" title="">[17]   Huffington House refused to publish the book
until Grahams name was removed in place of “a well-known evangelist.”  Shaw states that a part of this initiation
into the 33rd degree of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry includes drinking wine
from a human skull.http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID ... 947#_ftn18" name="_ftnref18" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn18;" title="">[18]  Rome controlled
Kathryn Kuhlman; Billy Graham, and Benny Hinn just to name a few.  The list is endless      




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TD Jakes was once a small time
preacher man before all the titles came.  Through services, there are
several illuminati hand signals which is no different than Illuminati
throughout the music industry such as Jay Z, Beyoncé, Kanye, or the world of sports. 
Lebron James is just a little example.  It’s everywhere.  He no
longer preaches holiness and separation.  It's pretty hard to preach
freedom from sin when you're full of compromise.  He too is a 33rd
degree freemason.  Many leaders talk
about this man in a positive light, promoting him. Man that makes you look
bad.  I will never promote another ministry.  I've learned far too
well.  Compromise is running rampant.  Jakes just preaches blessing,
favor, this is your hour.  What can you preach when you’re in compromise,
when you compromise the gospel, even your own soul for the fame, to be seen,
it's all about the money.  You have the spotlight, got the lights
going.  It’s almost like this is a show
now.  You can say all the right words and
be in total compromise.  It’s
everywhere.  It's such a cliché saying,
but it really is all about the money.  The AntiMessiah (Anti Christ)
superstar.  Yahuwshuwa was never a superstar, he avoided the
spotlight.  Man.  So what happened? 
Everyone’s promoting the big names void of understanding.  Either failing to do some research or the
cost of it is too high.  It’s all about
maturity and responsibility.  The sheep
are dying.  We’re daying.  Jakes was chosen just like Billy Graham was
chosen as the Illuminat's man, as the next Billy Graham.  He was to be the
elites new Christian superstar.  What's the elite, the big names? 
Who cares give me a break.  It's important to them though, it's who runs
the show.  Because of the major compromise, the Illuminati who by the way
remember is controlled by the Jesuit Order or the Society of Jesus if you
will.  So now he comes into public eye, and they love him.  He became
a puppet.  He was on a ton of magazines, especially Time magazine. 
Some referred to him as “Oprah in a pulpit” and “Pastor of the stars.”    The illuminati wanted a black Billy
Graham.  Graham wanted his son to be the next big name like himself. 
He however didn't meet the credentials.  Same thing with our President. 
Obama was chosen because the Illuminati wanted a black man in office. 
There was no stopping them.  The Illuminati will even blackmail and
intimidate to get their desired outcome.  They are under Rome, under the
Popes desire and word.  There is a hierarchy.  We can say he is just
deceived, in compromise or whatever.  I
fully believe he’s given his soul for the fame and money and is
antiMessiah.  This isn’t new.  I talked about this in the music section
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 Oral
Roberts is also a 33rd degree mason. 
According to one source, Philip Eugene de Rothschild told me (David
Icke) the following about Oral Roberts and his son Richard Roberts from his own
direct experience in the satanic network of the Illuminati:  "Oral
Roberts succeeded in hijacking contemporary American Christianity to
worship a different Jesus under the power of a different holy spirit.  Oral
has been an occult priest of the old Sumero-Akkadian mystery religion; Satanism
in its most pristine form.  Mr.  Roberts was my occult spiritual mentor and indoctrinator.  He has been the closest of friends to my Rothschild family... Mr. Richard Roberts
(his son) is a corrupt tele-evangelist from Tulsa Oklahoma.  Richard is now actively enlarging the occult spiritual legacy of his father.  Mr. 
Roberts is an occult sorcerer par excellence who is empowering the
apostasy of contemporary American and Western Christianity.” http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID ... 947#_ftn19" name="_ftnref19" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn19;" title="">[19]  Oral
Roberts started the seed faith revelation, give this to this ministry and it
will be multiplied a hundred times over.  A blessing is coming your
way.  Rick
Joyner says Roberts is his spiritual
father. More
on him soon.  Kenneth Hagin and Kenneth Copeland (33rd degree mason) followed
suit.  Robert Schuller was also a 
33rd degree freemason. 
                                             




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What about Pat
Robertson, the creator of CBN, the Christian Broadcasting Network founded in
1961 and is on “The 700 Club.”  CBN has
got much funding from Illuminati families. 
If it’s got media support, you can know it’s been infiltrated by and
controlled by Rome.  All media.  There’s no question about it.  Roberson went to Yale University, a Jesuit
university.  This is where the Clinton’s,
Gerald Ford, and President Nixon all graduated from.  They were all a part of the Skull and Bones
secret society.  You will often see
Robertson holding a paw like sign in photos or magazines and such.  That is nothing other than the Masonic bear
paw symbol.  It’s his order.  If you look at the symbol of the Jesuit
funded TBN (Trinity Broadcast Network), it’s a dove upside down which is a
Vatican symbol.  When you go to TBN and
look in their foyer, there is a statue of Mary. 
It’s not Christian.  The Catholic
Church calls this is “Queen of Heaven.” 
We’ve talked about this before. 
TBN and GODTV are all daughters of Babylon.  The media is controlled by Rome so every
Christian Media is also controlled by Rome. 
You cannot trust it.  According to
the “Raden Report,” an information service, “Pat Robertson, founder of the 700 Club and Regent University, is an ardent ecumenicist who has long worked and
fellowshipped with Romanists. He exemplifies what is happening widely in
Evangelical-Charismatic circles today.”
http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID ... 947#_ftn20" name="_ftnref20" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn20;" title="">[20]  Robertson and Bill Bright (Campus Crusade for
Christ) participated in a papal mass in New York's Central Park during John
Paul II's back in 1995.  Robertson even
had a seat of honor at the mass.  He’s
not even saved.  Clearly. Chuck Colson (Prison Fellowship Ministries)
and Don Argue (president, National Association of Evangelicals) were some other
religious leaders present.  There
are hundreds of false prophets that you would know the name if I list
them.  You know I will expose a few.  If their walking I foolishly in the open I
will expose them in the open.  It’s for
your protection.  They are all Jesuit
agents, agents of Rome under the Jesuit Order which controls the world under
the Black Pope.  Dr. Loreda Fox, a
Christian psychiatrist who has worked with many victims of Satanism and
trauma-based mind control or Multiple Personality Disorder wrote in her book,
“Some Satanists have invaded the church as it is the perfect cover for them. They masquerade
as angels of light and gravitate towards
positions of leadership in order to have more influence. Because much of what they say is sound doctrinaily,
they are rarely detected. Most
survivors whom I have worked with had
Satanist parents who were in high positions in churches; many were pastors." http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID ... 947#_ftn21" name="_ftnref21" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn21;" title="">[21]  For any born again believer, this has to be a
wake up to do some searching and digging and get some answers.  I mean could it be, could some of our
leaders, some of the names we see on GodTv, TBN, and CBN be a part of
this.  We must ask the question, must
inquire of the Father.  I mean no way
right, but Father could it be.  Oh my
goodness, even as I write I’m getting revelation and confirmation.  This is what I’ve been speaking for the last
6 months at the time of this writing (08/13). 
This is so much deeper than I ever expected.  No wonder that spirit of murder and
witchcraft is running rampant.  I’ll
leave that for the chapter on my testing season.  Let me be very clear.  These leaders Rome is using are not unaware,
are not deceived or in ignorance.  They
know full well.  False prophets.  We’re in apostasy beloved.  APOSTASY. 
Come to your right mind.  I’m
pleading.  The Father is saying come.  No me. 
Let me show you.  Won’t you just
ask Him?







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Have you guys ever heard of the New Apostolic
Reformation?  Peter Wagner is the main
leader of NAR.  He has talked about it In
many of his books.  He says we need
restored apostles.  It’s in a ton of his
books teaching that the Father is restoring foundational apostles in these last
days.   The Word says the foundation was
already set :  “you are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the
saints, and of the household of Elohiym; and are built upon the foundation of
the apostles and prophets, YaHuWshuwa ha’Mashiyach himself being the chief
cornerstone (Eph 2:19-20).”  The
foundation has been set meaning that needs no restoration, has no need of
another teaching or doctrine.  He says”
In certain segments of the Church the office of apostle has, indeed, been
recognized throughout the past two millennia. The Roman Catholic Church, the Anglican or Episcopal Church and many
denominations that have actually incorporated “apostolic” into their name would
come to mind as examples. However, just as was true of prophetic movements, the
emphases of these apostolic movements had not penetrated the mainstream of what
I am calling life-giving evangelical churches that are now the cutting edge of the spread of Christianity.
This only began to happen in the 1990’s.” http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID ... 947#_ftn22" name="_ftnref22" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn22;" title="">[22]  You will begin to see elitism and dominion
theology.  It’s an ancient Catholic
created eschatology called Partial Preterism combined with dominionism.  It’s that the Second Coming took place in 70 AD, and we have been in a non-literal
millennium (amillennialism) ever since, and Messiah will not appear visibly to
rule the world until the church has brought the whole world under the
dominion/control/government of the church. 
Now not all that are connected believe this.  Some continue to change what they believe and
who they are.  Wagner says these
new apostles will continue to speak these new revelations.  He believes it is the 2nd apostolic age.  These apostles view themselves as one
legitimate church is raised unifying Christianity for what’s coming.  They seek to take dominion over politics,
business and culture in preparation for the end times This sounds a lot like
the New World Order ushering in that One World Religion.  These leaders are apostles and prophets for
this very role.  The leaders of this
movement are very involved in politics and years ago started reclaiming what
they call the “seven mountains of culture.” 
These mountains are arts and entertainment; business; family;
government; media; religion; and education. 
There is a 7 mountain mandate they say which that whole system is under
direct control of Rome.  The seven
focuses are business, government, family, religion, media, education, and
entertainment.  






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 In Revelation 17:9 it
talks about the city (not a nation) of seven hills in which the woman
sits.  It’s talking about Rome, about the
Vatican where there are seven mountains. 
It was where Nimrod’s territories were in ancient Babylon.   They say they’re to rescue the culture from
demonic influence.  They say these
mountains must be reclaimed in order to bring the next kingdom.  It’s their job.  That’s what they believe.  They teach strategic spiritual warfare
because the earth is under a curse. 
There must be a casting out of territorial spirits over regions and
institutions.  There is a spiritual
mapping in which research is done over a particular city identifying
territorial spirits with insight to cast it out.  Here they need a name and the function of
it.  Where is this in the Bible?  Warfare prayer and warfare worship play a part.  There is prayer walking engaging in warfare
prayers to override those territorial spirits. 
Identification repentance based on corporate sin which polluted the
land.  This gave entry points to these
territorial spirits.  The doctrine says
you have to pull down princes and principalities over cities.  That's not
even biblical.  It's dangerous.  Its the doctrines of the
Nicolaetains which is to dominate and take over.  This movement believes
that these restored apostles are called or rather ordained to be the government
for the coming “New Order” Church.  It’s
elitism.  Some of these brothers keep
changing their theology, but this is where they’re at and what they believe.  They claim YaHuWshuwa who they call “Jesus”
visits them I person, that they lay the foundation for the New Kingdom, which
eventually will lead to one world church, where the Vatican will have complete
control of the church system.  It’s been
said there is at least one NAR church in every major city of this country.  The belief is that through these
self-proclaimed and ordained apostles and prophets, the church will take over
the world before Messiah returns.  It’s
up to us to hasten His return, to overthrow governments.  We decree, we declare what’s to come
prophetically, but it really is the Father who ushers in His kingdom. I talked
about in the end times chapter how we release what the Father’s saying in those
times, even releasing the judgments as the Father says.  I mean it’s true prophets and watchmen will
stand before kings and princes releasing whatever the Father gives them,
whether blessing or cursing.  This is
real, but it’s not our job to hasten His coming, to quicken His times and
seasons.  He knows, but yes we pray into
it.    Excuse me, the Bible says nothing
is new under the sun.  We don’t need a
new thing or rather we don’t need to go outside His Word.  In the past, several different names were
Joel’s Army, Latter Rain, the Manifest Sons of God, kingdom now, and now
this.                                                                       

 

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the Protestant Reformation.  Rick Joyner
says an emergence of prophets and apostle will change the nature of
Christianity.  Mike Bickle says the
same.  Change the nature of
Christianity?  That might be true to an
extent, I mean with manifested sons walking in their destiny, but we don’t go
outside the Word.  They place themselves
as lords over these congregations.  It’s
called dominionism, taking dominion over the political arena.  They want to control all denominations.   I don’t have a problem honoring the anointed
vessel, but Joyner and all of these are from the Vatican.  Where do you think they get their
funding?  It’s a compromised church.  Rick Joyner in “The Harvest” states
"During the middle ages apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and
teachers were unrecognized and had generally
ceased to function in the church except in isolated and rare occasions. The
church was for over a thousand years dominated
by a priestcraft, but with the
restoration of truth to the church there also had to come a restoration of true ministry." http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID ... 947#_ftn23" name="_ftnref23" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn23;" title="">[23]  He says we need to tear down the old and
build the new?  What?  We’re not to leave that foundation that
Messiah built.  They think they got the
new truth, the new revelation.  Most if
not all of the preacher man you see on TV are Vatican funded.  A lot of them are either Knights of Malta or
Knights of Columbus.  It’s all about
bringing the Pentecostal and Charismatic movements under the state.  It’s a strategy for one world
government.  I tell you the remnant, the
true believers, a time is coming and is at the door, where every church, every
building will be apostate, controlled by the State, by Rome, and house
churches, house movements, that’s where we the remnant are headed.  Get ready.  
The New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) is really taking the place of
the Protestant Reformation.  The purpose is reforming the
Charismatic and Pentecostalism, bringing them under the state.  The goal is to merge church and state. 
This agenda has gone into mainstream media.  Remember that the Jesuit
Order, that Rome under the popery controls the media.  Yes even faith
television broadcasts.  They rule over the Senate the government, and have
totally infiltrated the White House.  Many of them are freemasons and
other orders.  The NAR has moved into the political realm.  They're
filled with all this kingdom now, dominion now theology.  It's domination
even by force.  We are taking over.  It's Christian Terrorism taking
the violent shall take it by force totally out of context, that they have to do the
work and the violence to bring the next kingdom forth.  These self
proclaimed ones prophesy all this new great move that is coming the third wave, all this
blessing and favor, never speaking out against sin, against compromise, the
coming suffering, or how Vatican City is the Great Harlot Babylon of Revelation
17.  






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Sure a great harvest is coming, but also a great falling away.  Scripture warns us of what to expect in these
days “many shall be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one
another.  And many false prophets shall
rise, and shall deceive many.  And because iniquity shall abound, the love of
many shall wax cold (Mt 24:10-12).” 
The word “iniquity” is the Greek word anomia which literally means
lawlessness or void of Towrah because of violation.  It’s wickedness.  Rebellion. 
Now keep in mind he is talking to believers, it will increase among
believers.  The word “love” is the Greek
word “agape” which is the love of Elohiym. 
That is what’s growing cold. 
Deception and offense will be massive, run rampant.  It says “the
love of many” not just some.  It’s
talking about people you see at your local churches that profess to be
believers.  Yes we need to have
unoffended hearts in these last days. 
This is a warning that we will be prepared WHEN it happens.  It’s happening.   Scripture then gives us the purpose of
revealing this:  “he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved (Mt
24:13).”  They talk about a coming
revival, a billions souls.  You however must recognize that the great
harvest is coming, but not before the great falling away before YaHuWshuwa
returns.  There's no longer sound
doctrine. Of course I believe in the baptism and the gifts of
the Spirit.  The NAR is a Parasite. 
It found GODTV which is now broadcasting in hundreds of nations.  TBN and CBN have a ton of NAR preachers.  Those on those broadcasts are in
compromise.  A lot of these leaders claim
that believers who don’t join them aren’t genuine and must be removed from
their place of influence.  If a ministry
has influence, then they are most likely going to be wanted to come into this
movement.  Like I said they’re after
control, so if there’s fruit in your ministry, especially if power is being
displayed you will be sought.  They will
bend over backwards for you to be a part of them.  It’s all control.  It’s witchcraft.  There’s no question about it.                                                                                  




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 Some
of the leaders and organizations are Wagner (high mason), Bill Hamon, Rick
Joyner, Rick Warren, Chuck Pierce, Dutch Sheets, Rick Warren, Cindy Jacobs. Bob
Jones, Che Ahn, Todd Bentley, Morris Cerullo, Kim Clemente, New Life Church in
Colorado Springs, Charisma House Publishing and Charisma Magazine, Mike Bickle
and IHOP, Lou Engle and the Call, Patricia King, Joel Osteen, Stacey Campbell,
Jack Hayford (a freemason) James Goll, John and Carol Arnott, Rick Ridings,
Joyce Meyers, Joshua Mills, Kim Clemente, John Sandford, Steve Shultz and
Elijah List, Bobby Conner, Bill Johnson, Bill Bright, Tommy Tenney, Heidi and
Roland Baker, Rodney Howard-Browne, Dave Herzog, John Hagee, Paul Keith Davis,
John Crowder, Joel Osteen, John Haggee, Charles Stanley.  We have the Elijah List prophecies.  What is this? 
It’s like these alleged prophets prophesy so many vague prophesies, not
a lot comes to pass.  They’re always
talking about the blessing and prosperity, not preaching against sin, to be
sanctified, set apart.  Kim Clemente
prophesied that which seemed impossible has taken place, the unity between
Catholics and Protestants.  They’re
saying things and making them happen. 
The Vatican is all over this. 
They refuse to expose Rome preparing us for the great suffering that is
nearing.  Are they all prophesying out of
their soul innocently?  I’m not downing
blessing, but expecting that when your lifes out of wack is foolishness, is
irresponsible.   






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Joyce  Meyers has talked about the all seeing eye,
the third eye is the eye of Messiah rather than that which brings esoteric
knowledge which is so prevalent with the Illuminati and occult.  #ed_



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Message par Jujumaster » août 16, 15 6:39 pm

Tu ne crois pas que c est déjà la fin du monde depuis a peu près 2000 an ?

Et puis la terre à été cédé au diable ,(c est son terrain de jeu) d après vos bouquins ,donc je vois pas ce qu un antéchrist viendrais changer dans l affaire lol
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Re:les agents planificateurs de L Antichrist

Message par devolut » août 16, 15 7:16 pm

Juju je ne crois pas que tu aies lu le texte, autrement tu ne te serais pose la question.

En resume, les agents tels que Obama son gouvernement et les gouvernements de ce monde, illuminati, les fraternites mystiques (franc-macon et les autres), les faux prophetes des eglises evangeliques actuelles et toutes les religions s activent diligentement a applanir les voies de l 'avenement de l Antichrist.

Et qui est l Antichrist, eh bien si tu lis le texte tu comprendras que le pape est designe comme le future Antichrist non pas celui que le monde connait a present mais le futur pape apres celui ci.

a ton avis Quel est l homme proeminent chef religieux et chef du plus petit etat de la terre le plus craint par tous, que ce soient les gouvernement du monde, les rois et reines, toutes les religions?
Qui?




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Message par Jujumaster » août 16, 15 7:35 pm

A oui c est vrai si on fait les liens avec certains verset ,mais le problème c est que c est écrit qu il se ferat passer pour un prophète ,et un pape n à pas trop les profils des précédents prophète religieux car produits d un résultats ou suite d une révélation, a moins de dire que Jésus est carrément l antéchrist ,je vois pas d autre pistes ,après moi je me pencherais plus vers un gourou d une secte ou un truc du même genre .

PS:hors sujet es que tu pense que les scientifiques sont enfaite à la recherche de Dieu (ou s en rapproche) sans s en rendre compte, en trifouillant ses créations ?
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Message par Jujumaster » août 17, 15 3:35 am

Ou si on se fixe strictement au terme initial uniquement "antéchrist" et non pas "antichrist" ça veux dire que l imposteur etait le prophète venu avant Jésus christ ça peu coller aussi, car un Dieu qui ordonne de faire des génocide j y crois moyennement non plus, a moins que ce soit satan lui même, plus différents faits et réclament de Dieu ,montrant une imposture flagrante, ce qui collerais avec mon premier post.

Au final j y crois pas trop a tout ca ,a part que les démons existent le reste bof.
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Re: les agents planificateurs de L Antichrist

Message par Akwaaaaaa » août 17, 15 2:46 pm

Reponse à Son Excellence devolut:
 
Oooh Goodness!!! Toute une page internete placardee sur le forum sans aucun commentaire personnel aucune orientation, et monsieur Dekpohoun veut qu'on lise tout ca. C'est toi qui nous a envoyes sur forum-la ou bien??? Okpoh, gazonnier c'est pas la peine!!!
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Re:les agents planificateurs de L Antichrist

Message par devolut » août 17, 15 3:30 pm

Akwaaaaaaaaaooooooooo le Lobi multiseculaire ce n est pas pcq ado le mossi a saccage ton champ d ignames a singrela labas la qu on ne peut plus respirer sur ce forum.

chef de village Akwaaaaaaaaaaaa, paysan de generation en generation, villageois 100 per cent. dis moi depuis quand villageois a temps pour lire hein! depuis qd villageois sait lire, et puis, meme qd ils savent lire, quel courage et quel force ont ils de lire ne serait ce que deux pages d un article. mon frere si tu ne peux pas lire anglais dis en meme temps c est ce que vous faites et puis les blancs disent que les noirs ne lisent jamais la.

Ecoute mon petit que n empeche prend ton temps tu comprendras les evenements et predictions de la Bible depuis les temps immemoriaux.






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Re:les agents planificateurs de L Antichrist

Message par Jujumaster » août 17, 15 3:39 pm

<font color=brown>Reponse à Son Excellence <b>devolut</b>:</font>
 
A y réfléchir je pense que ce livre décrit des événements déjà arrivé ,comme le roi qui soumetait tous les roi et reine et royaume etc est deja un personnage identifié(qui a mourut) et decrit dans la bible donc un peu en retard et pas adapté au présent, sinon c est dur de lire tous ça " jusqu'au bout" (délire chrétien) ou bien

Par contre tu me feras très plaisir et me rendra un grand service en mettant, la bible des chrétiens orthodoxe éthiopien, pour ma curiosite ,ça m évitera de rêver d un voyage hypothetique en Éthiopie ou bien?
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